Ukraine will never be the same again - a report from DonieckSat, 2014-11-22 21:58
Ukraine will never be the same as it used to be in the past 23 years. Ukraine's "territorial integrity", which Western countries and unfortunately, the Hungarian diplomatic corps keep repeating subserviently is nothing but an illusion any more, says Jobbik's deputy parliamentary group leader Márton Gyöngyösi, who participated in the election in South-East Ukraine as an observer.
"According to Together-Dialogue for Hungary Alliance you pose a national security risk since you participated as an observer in the elections held in the separatist counties of South-East Ukraine while you are also a vice president of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the Hungarian National Assembly. In the opposition party alliance's view, you are representing Russian interests, which is proven by your trip to Donieck."
"It's always rather amusing when Together-DH voices accusations of other politicians of serving foreign interests and quotes national security risks. If there is a party which openly and demonstrably serves foreign interests in Hungary, it's the party alliance established by Gordon Bajnai. You may remember that Bajnai disappeared after the Y2010 elections for two years: he was touring the USA at his American employers' expense. Having gone through the appropriate education and training courses, he came home and established a foundation called Patriotism and Progress, which received over one bn HUF subsidy by 2013 (within a year, that is) from the Center for American Progress, a Foundation affiliated to the Democratic Party of the US. As a matter of fact, this is the amount that we know about and was declared by the foundation, but as for how much additional subsidy they received, I will leave it to the readers' imagination. Bajnai's foundation was one of those non-governmental organizations that were instrumental in the creation of Together-DH party alliance. We know very well that the US does not hand out millions of dollars to foreign NGOs for charity purposes. These subsidies always come at a price: the subservient representation of US geopolitical interests. In our modern world, nation states are no longer subdued by direct application of power well-known from the era of colonization. Instead, they use "soft power." This is a complex and highly effective weapons arsenal, which incorporates an obscure network of media, propaganda, the intelligence services, credit rating institutes and non-governmental organizations. Their job is to exert political and economic influence and pressure. By now, it has become completely obvious for even the politically blind and deaf how the American government applies the tools of soft power and the vassal network run by Bajnai in order to exercise pressure on Hungary. If there was just a mere glow of what once was the fire of national sovereignty in Hungary, then Gordon Bajnai and his partners would be spending the rest of their years in a prison cell for high treason. It is a telltale sign about the current state of the nation that they are not. I spoke a bit more about Bajnai and his party than necessary, as the outcome of the elections has demonstrated that you shouldn't even waste two compound sentences on them. Yet this phenomenon reveals more about the state of Hungarian political life, our national sovereignty and the geopolitical efforts of the US than anything else. The Ukrainian crisis, which is the subject of this interview, has been driven by very similar underlying processes."
Voodoo, stigmatization, propaganda
"Let's start with the beginning! How did you get to Donieck and why was it important for Jobbik to delegate an observer? Your trip was reported in the American Vice magazine as well. In fact, I even read articles saying that Jobbik sent pseudo-observers to Donieck. So what is the truth? What's your reaction to the fact that Jobbik's trip to Eastern Ukraine is reported as a key theme in the US media?"
"Ukraine is the latest front in the geopolitical conflict between the West and Russia. When the Western colonization, or to use the politically correct terminology: the Euro-Atlantic integration of Central Eastern Europe was completed, the front moved to the east, closer to Russia. As I mentioned before, this conflict is fought by sophisticated tools, including media manipulation, propaganda, and of course, a voodoo-like labelling and stigmatization as well. So we'd better keep that in mind when we read the adjectives stamped on the observers of the Donieck elections by the Western media. I am not surprised, in fact, Jobbik feels honoured to enjoy this special attention of the Western media, with particular regard to our statements and activities related to the Ukrainian crisis. The reason is that we are the only significant political force in Europe that can draw ruthlessly accurate conclusions and has the courage to speak out and stand for them equally ruthlessly, in Hungary and abroad as well. In other words, the reason why Jobbik is the No.1 enemy of Western power centres is because we are independent, incorruptible and cannot be subdued to Euro-Atlantic interests. As far as the observation of the Donieck elections of November 2 are concerned, my colleague Adrienn Szaniszló and I got a personal invitation from the chairman of the central election committee. She stayed in Rostov-on-Don on the Russian side and observed the elections held in the refugee camp that was set up for those who had fled the Donbass region and the atrocities of the Ukrainian army. We were happy to accept the invitation since we were curious what the truth was that the unilateral and biased Western propaganda had been trying to hide. I don't appreciate opinion shapers who like to discuss social, political and economic problems and to make sweeping statements from a safe distance. As an MP, I believe in experience gained through personal presence. We went there to see the damage and pain caused by the civil war with our own eyes, to talk about it with these people, to listen to their personal accounts, stories, tragedies, and of course to observe the election process."
"What was your experience in the people's republic? What conditions can you report? What is Western media coverage hiding from us?"
Arriving at the border from Russia, what we immediately noticed was the depressing presence of civil war: a large number of armed rebels, the constant sight of military vehicles, our military and security escort were permanent reminders of where we were. On the road between the border and Donieck, then inside the city of Donieck and also when we were travelling to the north of Donieck to a town called Gorlovka near the frontline, we always noted how little civilian movement was on the roads, and how many military checkpoints there were. You could hardly see any people in the streets, even by daylight. After dark there is a night curfew, so Donieck, which had nearly one million inhabitants before the war broke out, looks like a huge ghost town now. By night, you could hear the low rumble of cannons several times. The aftermath of war is striking to the eye in the villages, in the agglomeration of Donieck and in the entire area of Gorlovka (there were heavy clashes between the rebels and the Ukrainian army there). You can often see walls "decorated" with bullet marks, burnt-out military vehicles, cartridge and rocket shells. In spite of all that, the town got lively on the election day, people were standing in long lines in front of the poll stations, waiting patiently for their turn. Even though the procedure of the elections could not be considered ideal due to the civil war and the flood of hundreds of thousands of refugees, we can say that there was a very high voter turnout in Donieck, Luhansk and the refugee camps in Russia as well. People were apparently very interested in casting their ballots, you could see how aware they were that they were exercising their rights of self-determination, deciding about their own fate and future. The declaration of the will of these millions of people deserves respect even if the circumstances didn't make this election a typical and ideal one.
"Russia is the only country to recognize the elections. What can you expect in a situation like this? What changes can we expect now that the elections are over? Will there be peace?"
“The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Kremlin, more accurately Yuri Usakov, the foreign policy advisor of President Putin said as much that Russia respects the outcome of the elections. It is a little but significant difference. In my view, the only reason why Moscow did not go as far as to officially recognize the election is a tactical reason. Such a step obviously would have further deepened a Russia-West conflict that is already in ominous depths, thus compromising the acceptance of the election results that can be considered historic. I don't want to overemphasize the role of these diplomatic subtleties but it is a clear indication of the calm and responsible attitude that Russia demonstrates with regard to the situation. What does the future hold? I am neither a clairvoyant, nor do I appreciate speculations, but I think we can safely say that Ukraine will never be the same as it was in the past 23 years. Ukraine's "territorial integrity", which Western countries and unfortunately, the Hungarian diplomatic corps keep repeating subserviently is nothing but an illusion any longer. During the year of this raging crisis, the Ukrainian leadership had several opportunities to save Ukraine. However, such a move would have required an independent, sovereign, truly Ukrainian political elite, one that considers the interests of the entire Ukrainian population, including the Russian-speaking citizens of Eastern Ukraine. Instead, a power group that is supported by the Soros and the Konrad Adenauer Foundations, the Western propaganda, and is completely subordinated to the Euro-Atlantic, i.e. the US interests was raised into power by a coup d'état. They work on promoting US geopolitical interests instead of the Ukrainian people. The geopolitical interest of the US is to reach as far as the Russian border by annexing, or to use the politically correct term, by "integrating" the entire territory of Ukraine. If a government declares war on its own citizens, it immediately loses the confidence of those citizens as well as the right to represent them. What did Mr. Turchinov, Yatseniuk and Poroshenko expect after they launched a war against the Russian minority in Eastern Ukraine and massacred thousands of civilians, grossly violating international law? Did they expect the Russian minority to participate in the Ukrainian elections on October 26 and choose between Poroshenko's and Yatseniuk's party and the Ukrainian Chauvinist Svoboda? And what did the West expect? Did they expect the Russians of Eastern Ukraine to turn to the West with tears of joy in their eyes, after the West exceptionally failed to hold the puppet government, which had been put into power through a coup d'état, accountable for respecting minority and human rights, and, in fact, was instrumental in a genocide? Even the thought is offensive and absurd. The citizens of Donieck and Luhansk did what they had to do: they made a decision about their own fate. Now it depends on Kyiv and of course, the owners of the Kyiv government whether they can deliberate the issue soberly. If they can, there will be peace, if not, then the conflict will escalate and have unforeseeable consequences."
"What are the implications of your ban from Ukraine?"
"It means that I cannot enter the territory of Ukraine in the future. I'm not quite heart-broken by the news that I can't enter the territory of a Chauvinist country that wages war against its own people. The only painful thing is that the Lower Carpathian region forms a part of this terror state. So we have no choice but to put even more effort into gaining territorial autonomy for the Lower Carpathians."
Terrorists or patriots
"The Ukrainian counter-intelligence referred to the observers of the Eastern Ukrainian elections as pseudo-observers, who "support the terrorists." By the way, did you meet any terrorists?"
"This case shows clearly that the Ukrainian government can't even write its own communiqués, their terminology is determined by the Western forces controlling them. It's a Western practice to label everybody a terrorist if they refuse to surrender immediately and to succumb to invasion or tolerate the violation of their rights. The people I met in and around Donieck were all dedicated patriots and freedom fighters, who confronted the aggression of the Ukrainian central power."
"Is it true that you crossed the border illegally to enter the region coming from Moscow?"
"It depends on your point of view. It is a fact that I flew to Rostov through Moscow, and then we drove to Donieck. I am not aware of any law forbidding this. We arrived at a border, where a uniformed border guard asked for my passport and I gave it to him. Is it my fault that the border guard was not Ukrainian? What was I supposed to do, find one?"
"The Hungarian Ministry of Foreign Affairs disowned you, as they wrote: "The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade disapproves of any acts attempting to justify the legitimacy of the elections in question, regardless whether such attempts were made by a representative of a foreign or a domestic political force, organization or party." Then they added: "The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade of Hungary confirms its stance for an independent, democratic, stable, modern and prosperous Ukraine existing within its internationally recognized borders." How do you evaluate the ministry's communiqué? Interestingly enough, such disowning statement was not issued after some government-related public officials had been banned from the USA."
"The Hungarian Ministry of Foreign Affairs is so pathetic, I can't even be angry with them any more. They only do what is in their core. Ever since World War II, Hungary has always been subdued to foreign interests: it was controlled from Moscow for forty years, and has been controlled from Washington since the collapse of Communism. The ministry's communiqué clearly shows that the current activity of Hungarian diplomacy would not require more than two employees: one who handles the fax machine, and a linguist who translates the incoming orders from English to Hungarian. Anybody still talking about an "independent, democratic, stable, modern and prosperous" Ukraine, is not facing the reality, to put it mildly. Most of these features did not even characterize Ukraine a year ago, but they sound even comical in the current situation which is characterized by the exact opposite of these adjectives. As far as the legitimizing effect of election observation is concerned, let me make it clear that it is a fundamental misinterpretation of what election observation means. I can only form my opinion based on what I saw and experienced in nearly a dozen poll stations during the limited period of 12 hours that I spent there. I was talking to people, who were fighting their tears back to tell about their personal fate and plight, and who cast their ballots feeling the significance of the elections and hoping for a better future. It is a case of outrageous arrogance if someone is not willing to recognize the institution of national self-determination unless it is in compliance with his own geopolitical interests. These double standards are not to be tolerated, people's opinions must be respected!